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Waving quietly(!)
by poghag Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:56 pm
Hello Bitlessies!
We're just over 5 weeks into barefoot, and are experimenting with bitless, so I'm really green and would love to come here to learn loads from what you do, and for some specific help! Thanks all!
We're just over 5 weeks into barefoot, and are experimenting with bitless, so I'm really green and would love to come here to learn loads from what you do, and for some specific help! Thanks all!
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Re: Waving quietly(!)
by Admin Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:53 am
Welcome to the forum
We look forward to your posts
We look forward to your posts
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Re: Waving quietly(!)
by bohohorse Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:16 am
Hooray! you made it 
Welcome to the forum - we're always gobbing off about something or other, hopefully some of it will be helpful...!
Charlotte x
Welcome to the forum - we're always gobbing off about something or other, hopefully some of it will be helpful...!
Charlotte x
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Re: Waving quietly(!)
by Jo Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:38 am
Hey and welcome - and congratulations on barefoot and bitless - its a great move. There are loads of people here with heaps of experience - its a great forum - hope you enjoy it!
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Re: Waving quietly(!)
by Cyndi Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:43 am
Welcome here!
I'm new to all this too, and have already learned a lot! Hope you find the forum as useful too!
Cyndi
I'm new to all this too, and have already learned a lot! Hope you find the forum as useful too!
Cyndi
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Re: Waving quietly(!)
by lightertouch Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:54 am
Hey, welcome Poghag (interesting handle, is there a background to it??)! Congrats on bitless and barefoot, its the way forward! (or so I reckon ) We're more than happy to talk your ears off about it, and everything else 
Congrats on bitless and barefoot, its the way forward! (or so I reckon ) We're more than happy to talk your ears off about it, and everything else 
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Re: Waving quietly(!)
by PiePony Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:14 pm
Oh I am pleased to see you made it here.
I have not yet read the brilliant Dorrence book, but I adore Mark Rashids books. I sit nodding in agreement and love the desciptions, like when Walter Pruit "the old man", asks the child Mark attempts to open his closed fist, the child struggles, prises, gives up... and the old man says the other thing he could have done was ask.
I love the out of the box way of finding what might be the horses perspective, to save energy or to avoid a conflict as well as the general respect for the horse as a horse and as an individual. Something many of us as children discovered until we were taught how to be more dominant and assertive and stiffer during riding lessons.
I would love to hear about your AEB course, what you are finding as the positives and negatives.
Bitless and Barefoot will never be right for all, it can be the long learning route, so patience required but rewarded ten fold, the b+b brigade tend to also be the ones who want to know more, consider the horses point of view and are generally less likely to demand a horse comply immediately or be violently punished by poll pressure or bit pulls/kicks/whips etc for not doing so.
I am also here to learn, since my old horses were first trained to a bit then ridden in headcollars.
Bringing on youngsters without ever bitting them is a whole new area for me, but then I suppose they will never fear the bit either so that is a plus.
Glad you are persisting with the barefoot option, which I personally think is the tough route, much easier to have the farrier every few weeks and not leave you responsible for knowing about anything below the pastern.
Bitless is keeping an open mind and sending thought to your horse backed with your body cues which will become automatic as you begin to believe that the bit was not actually going to be sufficient to stop a horse anymore than it could stop a locomotive.
Hope I still believe that when I eventually take my pony out hacking.
But you ride bareback in a halter anyway, so I doubt your transition will be fraught.
On the Art of Natural Dressage forum site is a carefully written history of bitless which strike a chord
http://www.artofnaturaldressage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=521
"The interesting thing about this period, is that the bit is seen as a tool, a means to an end, not a prerequisite of maintaining collection. If you look at old pictures of dressage riders, you see that they still use huge bits, but with the reins hanging through..."
The bit was not used other than to refine a movement, although it was terribly abused by many and continues to be so.
I think it was on Heather Moffatts site where and exercise of putting a snaffle bit against the forearm was suggested and riders then realised just how painful even a small pressure can be.
At least any questions that arise will be great for me to read replies to, I can then spend even longer doing nothing but playing being a grooming post and food outlet for my neddies and keep them unridden for longer whilst ensuring they are not endangered in nasty road situations, until I have also found time to ensure their safety by incorporating all thing mentioned in replies to you.
Darn, I did another long reply and I am so trying to learn the art of succint!!!!!!
Susie xx PiePony
I have not yet read the brilliant Dorrence book, but I adore Mark Rashids books. I sit nodding in agreement and love the desciptions, like when Walter Pruit "the old man", asks the child Mark attempts to open his closed fist, the child struggles, prises, gives up... and the old man says the other thing he could have done was ask.
I love the out of the box way of finding what might be the horses perspective, to save energy or to avoid a conflict as well as the general respect for the horse as a horse and as an individual. Something many of us as children discovered until we were taught how to be more dominant and assertive and stiffer during riding lessons.
I would love to hear about your AEB course, what you are finding as the positives and negatives.
Bitless and Barefoot will never be right for all, it can be the long learning route, so patience required but rewarded ten fold, the b+b brigade tend to also be the ones who want to know more, consider the horses point of view and are generally less likely to demand a horse comply immediately or be violently punished by poll pressure or bit pulls/kicks/whips etc for not doing so.
I am also here to learn, since my old horses were first trained to a bit then ridden in headcollars.
Bringing on youngsters without ever bitting them is a whole new area for me, but then I suppose they will never fear the bit either so that is a plus.
Glad you are persisting with the barefoot option, which I personally think is the tough route, much easier to have the farrier every few weeks and not leave you responsible for knowing about anything below the pastern.
Bitless is keeping an open mind and sending thought to your horse backed with your body cues which will become automatic as you begin to believe that the bit was not actually going to be sufficient to stop a horse anymore than it could stop a locomotive.
Hope I still believe that when I eventually take my pony out hacking.
But you ride bareback in a halter anyway, so I doubt your transition will be fraught.
On the Art of Natural Dressage forum site is a carefully written history of bitless which strike a chord
http://www.artofnaturaldressage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=521
"The interesting thing about this period, is that the bit is seen as a tool, a means to an end, not a prerequisite of maintaining collection. If you look at old pictures of dressage riders, you see that they still use huge bits, but with the reins hanging through..."
The bit was not used other than to refine a movement, although it was terribly abused by many and continues to be so.
I think it was on Heather Moffatts site where and exercise of putting a snaffle bit against the forearm was suggested and riders then realised just how painful even a small pressure can be.
At least any questions that arise will be great for me to read replies to, I can then spend even longer doing nothing but playing being a grooming post and food outlet for my neddies and keep them unridden for longer whilst ensuring they are not endangered in nasty road situations, until I have also found time to ensure their safety by incorporating all thing mentioned in replies to you.
Darn, I did another long reply and I am so trying to learn the art of succint!!!!!!
Susie xx PiePony
Last edited by PiePony on Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:15 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : spelling and signature to let Hester/Poghag know it is me.)
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